Posts by Hobo Ken

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New Here - Hi All

by findingme92 in

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i'm new to this forum and look forward to getting to know you guys.. just a short summary about me, i was raised a jw, baptized at 15, married at 25, moved a few states away, started fading away about a year and a half ago.

started doing some searching about some long-standing doubts and completely sure now that this isnt the truth.

being out is still new and very difficult, but i'm making strides every day.. as i said, i look forward to getting to know you all..

Hobo Ken

Hi Findingme92 and welcome from Scotland.

And also welcome from England. I have a multiple personality and also post as Reniaa from north England.

I love a good argument.

No I dont.

H.K.

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Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

by iknowall558 in

john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

and these very scriptures speak about me!

yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

Hobo Ken

@ Reniaa

Hi hobo

show me one scripture that describes divine nature you believe of 3 in 1? you can't because it doesn't exist what you put on the table are faulty constructs that make a contradiction of thousands of other scriptures. Even john 1:1 with it's lack of ho theos for word and ho theos for God in the same scripture still makes the point that the word is WITH God not that it is God.

God the father is God right? So we'll assume we can leave him out of the equation.

Is Jesus God?

Titus 2:13 says that paul considered Jesus as his God.

2pet 1:1 says that peter condidered Jesus as his god and saviour.

John 20 :28 says that Thomas called Jesus "The god of me" TO JESUS FACE!!!!! Did Jesus correct him? No. Fact.

Isaiah 9:6 says he is a mighty god, (also calls jehovah mighty god in the next chapter)

John 1:1 describes Jesus thus " the word was divine".

What is the meaning of Divine? God ,.....but not the real God? That is Jw theology. That's like saying your father is your father but not your dad..

Either Jesus is a God of man or he isn't. The Bible says there is only one true God.

So from a Christian perspective who is this Jesus?

Yes he is God's son.

Yes his father has the ultimate authority.

Yes he is a separate person.

He is the god of Christians with God the father's full consent.

Why would Jehovah say in Isaiah 43:10 that there was no " God" formed either before or after him?

When did Jesus get his "God status" Reniaa? Not BEFORE or AFTER this point when Jehovah spoke as the scripture clearly says.

Are you calling Jehovah a liar?

The only salient plausible explanation is that he was God at that time as much as his father was God safe in the knowledge that he would be his follower's God , saviour and King as the above scriptures so eloquently testify.

You cannot deny the substance and content of these verses or the logic of the reasoning from the verse in Isaiah 43 :10.

Incidently your organisation has outright lied regarding the point you make about Jesus not being "Ho theos" or THE God.

The Watctower 1986 7/1 questions from readers says that Jesus is NEVER referred to in the new testament as "Ho Theos" or the God.

Try getting out your Interlinear and Looking up John 20:28.....What do we find.....emmmmm.... Jesus called "Ho Theos"

The Holy Spirit is Variously described in scripture as the Spirit of Jesus and and the spirit of Jehovah and in 2cor 3:17:- "Jehovah IS the Spirit."

The personality of the spirit is proved in the book of acts. The wts use the same line of reasoning that those scriptures prove to show that Satan is a real person.

Also get yourself a Vines expository and look up John 14:26 and the Greek words Allos and hetros and what the "parakletos" or spirit actually is.

You might want to reason on Just why Jesus said in matt 20:19 "Baptising them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three elements are have mention here because it's impossible to Worship as a Christian without these 3....

Perhaps the real problem is Reniaa is that as this thread Implies Jesus IS side stage to many JW's and the Holy Spirit?, well that is a whole other issue.

The Holy Spirit does not "dwell" in 99.9% of JW's as the Bible tells us it should, so how could you possibly understand and believe in anything other than what your organisation and your heavily bias "translation" tells you?

God is a Composite. Not the One named being that Jw's call Jehovah. Yes he was the Named God of Israel , but are you a Jew or a Christian Reniaa?

I have respect for the meaning behind the name YHWH and I fully accept the Hebrew Scriptures. I am a Christian and starting with the arrival of Jesus as documented in the Gospels there is where I take my cue from. I am after all a Christ----ian not a Jehovahian.

H.K.

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beards are from satan!

by Adrianoblue in

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it is illegal to wear a beard.

(matthew 24:45-47).

but it is legal to wear a mustache.

Hobo Ken

@ ziddina

Lol ,Paul didn't like the women doing much in the congo eh? The wts love the man. They probably follow his teachings more the Jesus.

What about a new book coming out in honour of him? Say......"The greatest lawyer who ever lived" .There could be a chapter which shows how Rutherford was the "greater Paul".....

As a post script the women will be recognized at that time by their head-coverings and refusal to wear trousers. You can almost see the K.M. article.

H.K.

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We're not a cult because we don't have communes

by carla in

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have you ever heard a dub say that they are not a cult because they don't live in a commune?

(aside from all the other reasons they are a cult- see other thread about wt mind control) my question is, isn't bethel rather like a commune?

and what about the wt farms?.

Hobo Ken

@ still in 74.

I tried to make that point to her but will she listen? I doubt it.

You can't be told what the matrix is ,you have to see it for yourself even then it's difficult to comprehend . The realisation that what you believed all your life was an intricate illusion, partly created by the wts literature and history and partly created and perpetuated by our own human mind. That is what sustains a JW's mental belief, NOT hard evidence and facts which show them to be in error.

Until people like Reniaa deconstruct what they have built up they will forever be captive to this mental prison.

@jimmypage

Thanks .You would think they would crack the nut but it appears not.....

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Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

by iknowall558 in

john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

and these very scriptures speak about me!

yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

Hobo Ken

@ lurker

I hear you on Reniaa she can be annoying, but I take the view that if she's here she's a possible candidate for leaving. Yuo may be right she could be on a power trip but how many of us were exactly like that on the field circus?

I know that prior to me realising the horrible truth about the teachings and true identity of the wts I was on a "spiritual high" , pioneering 6 months in a row so I wasn't in a Jw "weak state".

Perhaps the fact she is on here on her cyber soap box means she is close to that point?

I guess I'm saying everyone deserves a chance to come out ,and she could not be in a better place to hear all the evidence against her beloved organisation.

H.K.

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We're not a cult because we don't have communes

by carla in

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have you ever heard a dub say that they are not a cult because they don't live in a commune?

(aside from all the other reasons they are a cult- see other thread about wt mind control) my question is, isn't bethel rather like a commune?

and what about the wt farms?.

Hobo Ken

@Reniaa

Is your 1st point in quoting 1john 4:1 meant to be that one needs to restrict the flow of information because the Bible says so?

In fact if you read the verse you will see that it says you must "TEST the inspired expression."...how can you do that if your organisation forbids you to even LOOK AT so called "apostate" material?

The wts does restrict the flow of information by banning with threat of disfellowshipping the reading of material critical of the wts.

Your 2nd point...does this scripture apply to those like my self who haven't committed any of the "sins" mentioned in the verse?

I have become a Christian since leaving the wts and have not denied Christ or the holy Bible, but since it was announced that I'm no longer a jw I'm routinely abused by the bullying tactic of ritual shunning sanctioned by the Governing Body of the wts.

Your 3rd point....have you ever heard of a metaphor Reniaa?

In the scripture you quote in luke 14:26 Jesus is saying that one should not hate his relatives in the way you appear to be saying as though

Jesus was sanctioning mistreatment of people...

Rather that following him is top priority, I'm sure you must be aware that one of Jesus qualities was his ability to care for others even sinners and the like.

Jesus says that in Luke 6:35 "to the contrary continue to love your enemie....Because God is kind to the unthankful and wicked"

Even if ex Jw's are unthankful and wicked or your natural enemy God says he will be "kind" to them.

Is that how the wts treats those who have left?

Regarding your 4th point.... well I don't really no how to answer as you don't appear to be making a clear point...Are you saying that because some spent money on Jesus and he said it was ok , that means that it's ok for the wts to take money off their members?

It's hardly the same thing Reniaa...If no one put money in the box or paid for the literature the wts would cease to exist. Hence the wts has a dependence on their members so it makes sense to try and keep them and recruit more.

As for your last point it is probably the most ridiculous use of a passage of scripture you have used....Are you saying that this man's CONVERSION to Christianity is equatious with what Jehovah's witnesses do?

So Phillip was recruiting "new members" was he? Is it not the case that JW's go around and try to bring people in to their organisation who are ALREADY CHRISTIANS ????

They say that theirs is the only true Christian faith and that all others are false...something which is aslo marker of a cult. Many such as the Mormons , the Scientologists and the like also claim to be the "one true faith" to the exclusion of all others

It saddens me Reniaa that your lame attempts do deny the blindingly obvious about your organisation ignore the true facts about this cult.

I have was in the wts for 35 years and now I'm not. I have been where you are and had the mental barrier you so clearly exhibit

H.K.

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Why is Jesus kept side stage ?

by iknowall558 in

john 5 :39 ' 40 "you study the scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life.

and these very scriptures speak about me!

yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.

Hobo Ken

@ pass

Dumb question probably, but what does bttt mean?

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We're not a cult because we don't have communes

by carla in

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friends

have you ever heard a dub say that they are not a cult because they don't live in a commune?

(aside from all the other reasons they are a cult- see other thread about wt mind control) my question is, isn't bethel rather like a commune?

and what about the wt farms?.

Hobo Ken

@ Reniaa

Since you haven't bothered to respond to the other thread about Jesus identity in relation to the wts teachings ,why come on here and start making negative comparisons this time using Jesus to defend the wts non-cult status claim?

Perhaps you could look at the points below and consider them.

I have personal experience of all these points as I was in the wts all my life. Are you going to call me a liar?

Here a few simple rules for cult identification.

Does it restrict the flow of information to members?

Does it treat ex-members badly?

Does it harm or cause people to die by following it's edicts?

Does it have a vested financial interest in members remaining in it?

Does it recruit "new members" (not many people don't just wander in to a cult)

Does the wts fit the bill?

H.K.

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